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Poster: ringolevio Date: Oct 11, 2011 1:23pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: JGB

I'm just feeling unable to participate in discussion of the Grateful Dead because I'm too far gone on JGB. I keep trying to listen to the Dead again, but JGB is better. (cringe; expect outcry) sorry Bobby, I don't really mean it ...

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Oct 11, 2011 1:55pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: JGB

Write on the Jerry tunes. June '76 has a lot of a JGB feel. A Crazy Fingers? Mission in the Rain? Writing about Mission makes me think how special that song is. One of hope. I love the way he sings it.

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Poster: Round Robin Date: Oct 11, 2011 2:03pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: JGB

Not to keep pressing my own opinions on anyone, but the Mission from July 8th 76 does it for me,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZfYD8IuRcvQ

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Oct 11, 2011 6:55pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: JGB

agree!

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Oct 11, 2011 2:53pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: JGB

keep pressing your opinions ... that's what we're here for.

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Oct 11, 2011 2:15pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: JGB

The main line of healing power. Not tops, but who cares? I like this comment,

>this is the one, you can tell in 15 seconds, the bleeding vocal thru fog, with angelic harmony and fractured piano seeping thru, could be, it is the best

And Donna shimmers, singing w/ such elegance. I don't understand why she sounded so mediocre w/ GD. A monitor? Really?

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Poster: user unknown Date: Oct 11, 2011 2:52pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: JGB

"I don't understand why she sounded so mediocre w/ GD. A monitor? Really?"

No! Not really. The real problem was that she was trying to harmonize with, but not totally destroy the kid's fragile ego, Bobby who was/is seldom on key. It has always seemed to me that most of Donna's "caterwauling" is tied closely to Mr. Weir's "testicles in the vice squealing".

That being said,I guess the lack of a monitor may have contributed somewhat.

Before I get tarred and feathered for Bobby Bashing, I will say that when he is on, he is good. When he's not on, he's the male Donna.

This post was modified by user unknown on 2011-10-11 21:52:09

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Oct 11, 2011 2:56pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: JGB

>When he's not on, he's the male Donna.

Ouch

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Poster: unclejohn52 Date: Oct 11, 2011 2:58pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: JGB

I'd only take issue regarding Weir being "on key." There's a big difference between having problems with pitch, and problems with expression. I think Weir was on pitch almost always, but he tried to do way too much with volume - shouting ruined his vocals, and distorting into falsetto could be worse. Garcia had much better control.

As to those shorts, however....

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Poster: unclejohn52 Date: Oct 11, 2011 2:33pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: JGB

"Donna shimmers, singing w/ such elegance. I don't understand why she sounded so mediocre w/ GD.?"

Not to overstate what's already been said here before - but that is why. When she sings with elegance, she's fine. When she sing hard rock, shouts or attempts skat - it is NOT elegant. 90% of her vocals are just fine, (Cassidy, BIODTL) but when she sticks out, it is painful. This can happen even with JGB - try "Mighty High" - she's great for most of the song, until the chorus - and the effort is spoiled. (Really hot Garcia on this though - love this solo.)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2fnMPEGJJpw

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Poster: rdenirojb87 Date: Oct 11, 2011 4:13pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: JGB

thanks for posting this "ride mighty high." this version is awesome!! donna sounds great. like many others have noted, the difference in donna's singing in jgb vs. the dead is huge. i've always had a huge love for this song. '75 and '76 are oh so sweet. great vids posted so far. keep em comin.

here's one, highly recommended!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_FZAfApEbU



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Poster: ringolevio Date: Oct 11, 2011 7:05pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: JGB

A big '76 highlight:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79SdU3ZQ_U0

This seriously cheers me up.

my current obsession is the Catfish John from 9-18-75. It's a bit different from any other Catfish John I've heard. I've looked for more like this, but it seems unique.

(can't post the exact link, but the show can be found here:)

http://tela.sugarmegs.org/alpha/j.html





This post was modified by ringolevio on 2011-10-12 02:05:16

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Poster: polarized blue Date: Oct 12, 2011 1:37am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: JGB

Thanks for being on a JGB kick lately, it's got me putting it on more often the past few weeks. I was enjoying a couple of the Sept 76 shows, and looks like I'm going to be seeking out some more '75 now after the recommendations in this thread. Nice-sounding Midnight Moonlight, btw... I'm happy.

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Oct 12, 2011 7:17am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: JGB

try 12-20-76 - fantastic sound - Jerry is in your head.

and the "How Sweet It Is" is sweet indeed, beautiful lyrically and smooth as honey. Donna is right on and the audience is ecstatic.

This post was modified by ringolevio on 2011-10-12 14:17:09

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Poster: rdenirojb87 Date: Oct 12, 2011 9:23am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: JGB

i can't find this show on sugarmegs. do you have the correct date?

This post was modified by rdenirojb87 on 2011-10-12 16:23:33

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Oct 12, 2011 11:52am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: JGB

sorry! 9-20-76

this show is just insanely good.

lots of crowd noise, which sometimes detracts, but in this case, the energy is so incredibly positive, it just adds to the vibe.

This post was modified by ringolevio on 2011-10-12 18:52:53

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Poster: polarized blue Date: Oct 12, 2011 1:37am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: JGB

Thanks for being on a JGB kick lately, it's got me putting it on more often the past few weeks. I was enjoying a couple of the Sept 76 shows, and looks like I'm going to be seeking out some more '75 now after the recommendations in this thread. Nice-sounding Midnight Moonlight, btw... I'm happy.

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Oct 11, 2011 3:26pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: JGB

uj, I've never listened to this song. That's deep Jerry happy jam land.
And thanks for overstating. It makes sense.

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Oct 11, 2011 6:44pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: JGB

never listened to ride mighty high?! love that gospel feel.

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Oct 11, 2011 7:37pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: JGB

Could you rec one?

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Oct 12, 2011 5:32am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: JGB

They are all from '76. The problem I have is I use sugarmegs and you can't listen to discrete tracks (well, you can, but it's rather fiddly and I can't usually deal with while I'm trying to, er, work). The one vapors recommends I think is the one on youtube.

I'll listen to some '76 and if I catch a particularly nice one I will post it. They were often encores.

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Poster: TOOTMO Date: Oct 12, 2011 7:39am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: JGB

"The problem I have is I use sugarmegs"

Just curious: why? I use sugarmegs for things that are not here—PF, Black Oak Arkansas—but have never listened to the Dead there because of the separate track issue and, well, because I am already here.

So what's the rationale?

TOOTMO

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Poster: rdenirojb87 Date: Oct 12, 2011 8:43am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: JGB

"Just curious: why? I use sugarmegs for things that are not here—PF, Black Oak Arkansas—but have never listened to the Dead there because of the separate track issue and, well, because I am already here."

i think ringo is talking about listening to jgb on sugarmegs, not the dead. i use sugarmegs a lot as well for jgb because there's so many show available that you can't get anywhere else.

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Oct 12, 2011 8:55am
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yes exctly, thanks for clarifying, I do not listen to GD on sugarmegs, just JGB.

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Poster: sambonk2 Date: Oct 12, 2011 8:49am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: JGB

tone of jgb here to stream as well

http://www.jerryradio.com/

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Oct 12, 2011 8:03am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: JGB

The rationale is just that I'm too dumb and lazy to learn how all these other weird things work ... "bit torrents" etc., I don't even know what it all means. All I know how to do is click.

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Poster: vapors Date: Oct 11, 2011 8:55pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: JGB

There is an fine version from the Berkeley Keystone on 9/11/76 included on the Don’t Let Go release, and a neat and sweet studio track included on the remastered Cats Down Under the Stars.

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Oct 11, 2011 8:05pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: JGB

Wow, that's amazing!

And I think that's a terrific summary of The Donna Issue ... although personally I like her throughout this song. OK, maybe that shoots my credibility, but what am I missing? She just sounds like she's on a roll to me, in a good soulful way. But I think you're spot on about when she pushes it in a more rocky direction with GD ... when she tries to be Janis, things go awry, and by '78 with GD she almost sounds like a parody of herself ... like she's trying to get the good sweet sound back, but can't, quite. Dunno how she sounds then with JGB.

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Oct 12, 2011 7:07am
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>Dunno how she sounds then with JGB.

She sounded totally terrific then with JGB.

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Oct 12, 2011 7:46am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: JGB

Interesting. I'm not really familiar with JGB. (I know, heresy heresy. But on the positive side, it gives me something to look forward to exploring later!)

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Oct 12, 2011 8:27am
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>I'm not really familiar with JGB

Holy cow, really????!!!

I recommend getting thee directly over to:
http://tela.sugarmegs.org/alpha/j.html

and scroll down to the 9-20-76 show; as I said above this is Jerry right inside your head, if you ever feel lonesome, yeah down in San Anton' ... if you ever feel sorrow for things you might have done ...


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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Oct 12, 2011 8:35am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: JGB

Sad but true. I have a couple of shows, but not many ... so while I've heard some over the years, I'm not "familiar" with JGB like I am with GD. Unfortunately I can't stream Sugarmegs here cuz it's whole-show streaming; you can't buffer tune by tune if you have slow internet the way you can with the archive.

I did have some shows that I'd DL'd from another site while in the States, but here's a weird story: they started eating my Dead. It's true; Jerry started going after the Dead. I'd put on a show and it would automatically connect only to a Jerry show, and I couldn't get it back without rebooting! I figured the DLs had a weird virus so I deleted them, which was probably stupid, cuz I could have just burned them to disc or something.

I can check out YouTube clips cuz I can buffer, but not whole shows :-(



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Poster: ringolevio Date: Oct 12, 2011 8:48am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: JGB

Hm! I will work on putting together an updated list of JGB on youtube. More JGB gets added on youtube all the time, and I become practically hysterical every time I start that again :)

If anyone has a copy of 9-20-76 they can send Althea, it would be a kind act ...

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Poster: sambonk2 Date: Oct 12, 2011 8:36am
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i have to say that some of the best shows i saw with Jerry were with the JGB from 87-90...

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Poster: rdenirojb87 Date: Oct 11, 2011 4:28pm
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that's a beautiful version of mission, however i always go back to this one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jdl6Pghsypo&;feature=related

so epic

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Oct 11, 2011 2:52pm
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>Write on the Jerry tunes.

Yeah - suddenly I'll remember that there are also opportunities to hear Jerry Garcia playing with another band, called the Grateful Dead ...

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